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		<title>By: Bud Simons</title>
		<link>http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/2007/06/23/teenage-wasteland/comment-page-1/#comment-13979</link>
		<dc:creator>Bud Simons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 00:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was in my early teens, I was likely still reading Famous Monsters of Filmland (thanks, Forry).  So I don&#039;t have much in common with this lot of kids at that age.

On the other hand, given the bleak future this generation of teens is being handed, I can hardly blame them for being shallow and narcissistic.  I mean, if by chance the world doesn&#039;t go completely to hell in a handbasket they can work on substantive later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in my early teens, I was likely still reading Famous Monsters of Filmland (thanks, Forry).  So I don&#8217;t have much in common with this lot of kids at that age.</p>
<p>On the other hand, given the bleak future this generation of teens is being handed, I can hardly blame them for being shallow and narcissistic.  I mean, if by chance the world doesn&#8217;t go completely to hell in a handbasket they can work on substantive later.</p>
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		<title>By: Madeleine Robins</title>
		<link>http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/2007/06/23/teenage-wasteland/comment-page-1/#comment-13968</link>
		<dc:creator>Madeleine Robins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;ve only smelled the dried ones, which were merely slightly musty smelling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;ve only smelled the dried ones, which were merely slightly musty smelling.</p>
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		<title>By: Rory Harper</title>
		<link>http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/2007/06/23/teenage-wasteland/comment-page-1/#comment-13962</link>
		<dc:creator>Rory Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rach can chime in as she wishes, but I think that both she and I have been totally oblivious to this tweener-teener-mag phenomenon.

We get all of our information from the InterTubes.

And she&#039;s never seemed to give a single damn about popular culture, as far as I can tell.

I know more about Paris Hilton than I want to, simply because this crap is freaking unavoidable. Being famous for being shallow and narcissistic and completely plastic-looking. Ick.

Lindsey Lohan, on the other hand, during her voluptuous phase, surgically enhanced or not, was....juicy....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rach can chime in as she wishes, but I think that both she and I have been totally oblivious to this tweener-teener-mag phenomenon.</p>
<p>We get all of our information from the InterTubes.</p>
<p>And she&#8217;s never seemed to give a single damn about popular culture, as far as I can tell.</p>
<p>I know more about Paris Hilton than I want to, simply because this crap is freaking unavoidable. Being famous for being shallow and narcissistic and completely plastic-looking. Ick.</p>
<p>Lindsey Lohan, on the other hand, during her voluptuous phase, surgically enhanced or not, was&#8230;.juicy&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: N.G.</title>
		<link>http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/2007/06/23/teenage-wasteland/comment-page-1/#comment-13950</link>
		<dc:creator>N.G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a teen myself, I&#039;m glad I&#039;m not drawn to those kinds of magazines. I often feel sick to my stomach when I see all those anorexic girls on the covers. Standing in line, I tend to get worked up. My mom does too. Then we rant together on our way back home and T.N. eventually says, &quot;Can you guys shut up already? You&#039;re giving me a headache!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a teen myself, I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;m not drawn to those kinds of magazines. I often feel sick to my stomach when I see all those anorexic girls on the covers. Standing in line, I tend to get worked up. My mom does too. Then we rant together on our way back home and T.N. eventually says, &#8220;Can you guys shut up already? You&#8217;re giving me a headache!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline Spector</title>
		<link>http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/2007/06/23/teenage-wasteland/comment-page-1/#comment-13937</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline Spector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Madeleine --
I don&#039;t know how anyone navigates modern social &quot;norms&quot; and still manages to raise well-balanced kids.  My hat is off to you.

The thing is, at some point our children stopped being, well, children and started being considered consumers. 

P.S. Have you ever smelled elderberries?  Ew.  

Steve --

I think erotic vagrancy means having wild rumpy pumpy with someone other than one&#039;s spouse.  Or she was just too hot.  I dunno...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madeleine &#8211;<br />
I don&#8217;t know how anyone navigates modern social &#8220;norms&#8221; and still manages to raise well-balanced kids.  My hat is off to you.</p>
<p>The thing is, at some point our children stopped being, well, children and started being considered consumers. </p>
<p>P.S. Have you ever smelled elderberries?  Ew.  </p>
<p>Steve &#8211;</p>
<p>I think erotic vagrancy means having wild rumpy pumpy with someone other than one&#8217;s spouse.  Or she was just too hot.  I dunno&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Gould</title>
		<link>http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/2007/06/23/teenage-wasteland/comment-page-1/#comment-13936</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>erotic vagrancy

(What is it?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>erotic vagrancy</p>
<p>(What is it?)</p>
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		<title>By: Madeleine Robins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Madeleine Robins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 16:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caroline--I totally agree.  It&#039;s why I (who am generally the world&#039;s most laissez-faire parent) don&#039;t let such magazines in the house.  I think it&#039;s all a part of a larger cynicism: seeing kids (and particularly tween girls) as a huge market segment who can be sold all manner of crap.  The baby-slut clothes that are marketed in some stories to this age group are stunning, and not in a good way (this occasioned some interesting discussions with YG about the semiotics of clothing, and why a &quot;Will Party for Beer&quot; t-shirt is sending a larger message than thirst).  Many tweens want so desperately to achieve teenhood (more fool they) that they go for the clothes, the culture, the gossip that looks most sparkly and grown-up and fun.

On the other hand, I&#039;m almost equally squicked by the &quot;keep your child so innocent she doesn&#039;t know where babies come from&quot; market--which is far from being a solely religious segment.  When I hear other mothers talking about how sweet their 13 year old looks, it&#039;s usually unconcious code for &quot;I&#039;m dressing my child like an American Girl Doll.&quot;

There has to be a middle ground, but it takes a lot of work and negotiation, which is exhausting.  And its in that exhaustion zone that stuff like &lt;i&gt;J-14&lt;/i&gt; weasels in.

PS: what&#039;s wrong with smelling of elderberries?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caroline&#8211;I totally agree.  It&#8217;s why I (who am generally the world&#8217;s most laissez-faire parent) don&#8217;t let such magazines in the house.  I think it&#8217;s all a part of a larger cynicism: seeing kids (and particularly tween girls) as a huge market segment who can be sold all manner of crap.  The baby-slut clothes that are marketed in some stories to this age group are stunning, and not in a good way (this occasioned some interesting discussions with YG about the semiotics of clothing, and why a &#8220;Will Party for Beer&#8221; t-shirt is sending a larger message than thirst).  Many tweens want so desperately to achieve teenhood (more fool they) that they go for the clothes, the culture, the gossip that looks most sparkly and grown-up and fun.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I&#8217;m almost equally squicked by the &#8220;keep your child so innocent she doesn&#8217;t know where babies come from&#8221; market&#8211;which is far from being a solely religious segment.  When I hear other mothers talking about how sweet their 13 year old looks, it&#8217;s usually unconcious code for &#8220;I&#8217;m dressing my child like an American Girl Doll.&#8221;</p>
<p>There has to be a middle ground, but it takes a lot of work and negotiation, which is exhausting.  And its in that exhaustion zone that stuff like <i>J-14</i> weasels in.</p>
<p>PS: what&#8217;s wrong with smelling of elderberries?</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline Spector</title>
		<link>http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/2007/06/23/teenage-wasteland/comment-page-1/#comment-13922</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline Spector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Denton,

You are a big fibber.  You even said not to throw down punani as it would confuse the masses.

So there.  Nyah nyah.
Your father is a hamster and your mother smells of elderberries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Denton,</p>
<p>You are a big fibber.  You even said not to throw down punani as it would confuse the masses.</p>
<p>So there.  Nyah nyah.<br />
Your father is a hamster and your mother smells of elderberries.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline Spector</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline Spector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Madeleine,
I wasn&#039;t a Tiger Beat reader either, though I did see them at a friend’s house.  Yes, they were relentlessly clean-cut and in a most unrealistic way. (And I never undrestood the whole Donny Osmond thing.  Ick.)

There has always been a prurient side to the news.  Hearst made a fortune pandering to it.  But a distinction was made between real news and celebrity gossip.  And you’re right, careers were ruined because of transgressions we would find banal today.  (Probably the biggest gossip story of the 20th century, pre-OJ, was the affair between Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton. Not only did it not destroy both of their careers, it made Taylor the highest paid star of her time.  And she was even accused of “erotic vagrancy” by the Pope.)

My core problem with this magazine is that there was a craven indifference to the message being sent out to the intended readers.  I don’t care that it was 2006.  I don’t even care if the readers know that Hilton has a sex tape.  By featuring her as if she were a standard to be achieved, they were sending a god-awful message to their readership.  I don’t believe in unrealistic wholesomeness, but I do believe that when you feature someone editorially in a positive light, you’d best have some standards.  A spoiled, ignorant, slut whose claim to fame is the accident of her birth and the promiscuity of her sex life isn’t what I think parents really want their daughters to aspire to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Madeleine,<br />
I wasn&#8217;t a Tiger Beat reader either, though I did see them at a friend’s house.  Yes, they were relentlessly clean-cut and in a most unrealistic way. (And I never undrestood the whole Donny Osmond thing.  Ick.)</p>
<p>There has always been a prurient side to the news.  Hearst made a fortune pandering to it.  But a distinction was made between real news and celebrity gossip.  And you’re right, careers were ruined because of transgressions we would find banal today.  (Probably the biggest gossip story of the 20th century, pre-OJ, was the affair between Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton. Not only did it not destroy both of their careers, it made Taylor the highest paid star of her time.  And she was even accused of “erotic vagrancy” by the Pope.)</p>
<p>My core problem with this magazine is that there was a craven indifference to the message being sent out to the intended readers.  I don’t care that it was 2006.  I don’t even care if the readers know that Hilton has a sex tape.  By featuring her as if she were a standard to be achieved, they were sending a god-awful message to their readership.  I don’t believe in unrealistic wholesomeness, but I do believe that when you feature someone editorially in a positive light, you’d best have some standards.  A spoiled, ignorant, slut whose claim to fame is the accident of her birth and the promiscuity of her sex life isn’t what I think parents really want their daughters to aspire to.</p>
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		<title>By: Madeleine Robins</title>
		<link>http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/2007/06/23/teenage-wasteland/comment-page-1/#comment-13890</link>
		<dc:creator>Madeleine Robins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 07:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tiger Beat and its ilk were fairly benign, as I recall, but isn&#039;t that because the culture at the time was manipulated by a publicity machine that was run by film and TV studios and record companies (rather than publicists out to make sure that their clients get the maximum notice)?  The companies were invested in keeping their artists&#039; images clean so that they didn&#039;t lose business; even with our current culture wars, people are generally more tolerant of failure.  Hell, in the 50s my lefty-liberal Greenwich Village school threw Mary Travers (of Peter, Paul and Mary) out her senior year when she became pregnant; Ingrid Bergman couldn&#039;t get arrested on film for some years after she left her husband for Roberto Rossellini. There was a cost professionally and socially for acting outside the norm.  Not so much any more.  And antecedents of the prurient interest in the fuck-ups of the stars and the lipsmacking &quot;she&#039;s getting her comeuppance&quot; subtext of so much celebrity reporting now can be found in the old fan magazines of 30 and 40 and 50 years ago, but very watered down.

The thing I remember about Tiger Beat (or whatever it was I saw when I was 11) was that it seemed, even then, to be pitched relentlessly to promote the downhome wholesomeness of the stars, in a weirdly corporate way.

Course I only read one or two of them, and thus my sample is not representative, and I may be talking out of my ass...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tiger Beat and its ilk were fairly benign, as I recall, but isn&#8217;t that because the culture at the time was manipulated by a publicity machine that was run by film and TV studios and record companies (rather than publicists out to make sure that their clients get the maximum notice)?  The companies were invested in keeping their artists&#8217; images clean so that they didn&#8217;t lose business; even with our current culture wars, people are generally more tolerant of failure.  Hell, in the 50s my lefty-liberal Greenwich Village school threw Mary Travers (of Peter, Paul and Mary) out her senior year when she became pregnant; Ingrid Bergman couldn&#8217;t get arrested on film for some years after she left her husband for Roberto Rossellini. There was a cost professionally and socially for acting outside the norm.  Not so much any more.  And antecedents of the prurient interest in the fuck-ups of the stars and the lipsmacking &#8220;she&#8217;s getting her comeuppance&#8221; subtext of so much celebrity reporting now can be found in the old fan magazines of 30 and 40 and 50 years ago, but very watered down.</p>
<p>The thing I remember about Tiger Beat (or whatever it was I saw when I was 11) was that it seemed, even then, to be pitched relentlessly to promote the downhome wholesomeness of the stars, in a weirdly corporate way.</p>
<p>Course I only read one or two of them, and thus my sample is not representative, and I may be talking out of my ass&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley Denton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bradley Denton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 06:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Ms. Spector:  I am quite certain that I did not say &quot;cooters.&quot;

I believe what I actually said was &quot;hey-nonny-nonnies.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ms. Spector:  I am quite certain that I did not say &#8220;cooters.&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe what I actually said was &#8220;hey-nonny-nonnies.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline Spector</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline Spector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 02:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I just can&#039;t compare Tiger Beat and Bobby Sherman to J-14 and Paris Hilton. (And might I add that Hilton was used in other parts of this issue of the mag as an example of how to dress!)  

I fear I&#039;m going to stray straight into fuddy-duddy territory here, but when TB was in its heyday, I doubt that Linda Lovelace would have been a featured celebrity between its, er, covers.  

This has nothing to do with marketing, this has to do with editorial irresponsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I just can&#8217;t compare Tiger Beat and Bobby Sherman to J-14 and Paris Hilton. (And might I add that Hilton was used in other parts of this issue of the mag as an example of how to dress!)  </p>
<p>I fear I&#8217;m going to stray straight into fuddy-duddy territory here, but when TB was in its heyday, I doubt that Linda Lovelace would have been a featured celebrity between its, er, covers.  </p>
<p>This has nothing to do with marketing, this has to do with editorial irresponsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Houghton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Houghton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 02:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Mad Said about Lohan.

I&#039;m still trying (not to hard, obviously) to find &lt;em&gt;One Night in Paris&lt;/em&gt;, but all the descriptions of it indicate that it would be a great video to use about how boring heterosexual activities can be&#8212;and how boring one can look doing them.

&lt;em&gt;HSM&lt;/em&gt; is &lt;a href=&quot;http://atbozzo.blogspot.com/2007/01/i-am-aging-geek-with-young-daughter.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a phenomenon&lt;/a&gt;, to be sure&#8212;it was our eldest&#039;s favorite present this year&#8212;but the current interviews make it clear that the touring cast are having relationships.  Between the several versions of the original, the pending sequel, and HSM on Ice (think &quot;Crash Nebula on Ice&quot; without the anomie) it looks as if DIS plans to continue destroying the long-term value of its properties.  Can&#039;t tell if that&#039;s a good thing.

On the larger issue, I fear you&#039;re just falling prey to the increase in available marketing.  If there weren&#039;t &lt;em&gt;Teen People&lt;/em&gt; (oh, wait, there isn&#039;t any more) and the like, there would still be &quot;what a horrible turn for a child star&quot; pieces.  Remember Britney, Brooke Shields in the mom-released-my-transcript days and before, and all the myriad drug/alcohol (that&#039;s redundant, I know) problems of the Mason Reeses and Anissa Joneses and Linda Blairs that were just as available for tween viewing in &lt;em&gt;Tiger Beat&lt;/em&gt; and the like.

The tweens I grew up with were reading (or at least looking at the pictures in) &lt;em&gt;TB&lt;/em&gt; and the like.  That they&#039;ve got their own magazines now doesn&#039;t mean the fare has changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Mad Said about Lohan.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still trying (not to hard, obviously) to find <em>One Night in Paris</em>, but all the descriptions of it indicate that it would be a great video to use about how boring heterosexual activities can be&mdash;and how boring one can look doing them.</p>
<p><em>HSM</em> is <a href="http://atbozzo.blogspot.com/2007/01/i-am-aging-geek-with-young-daughter.html" rel="nofollow">a phenomenon</a>, to be sure&mdash;it was our eldest&#8217;s favorite present this year&mdash;but the current interviews make it clear that the touring cast are having relationships.  Between the several versions of the original, the pending sequel, and HSM on Ice (think &#8220;Crash Nebula on Ice&#8221; without the anomie) it looks as if DIS plans to continue destroying the long-term value of its properties.  Can&#8217;t tell if that&#8217;s a good thing.</p>
<p>On the larger issue, I fear you&#8217;re just falling prey to the increase in available marketing.  If there weren&#8217;t <em>Teen People</em> (oh, wait, there isn&#8217;t any more) and the like, there would still be &#8220;what a horrible turn for a child star&#8221; pieces.  Remember Britney, Brooke Shields in the mom-released-my-transcript days and before, and all the myriad drug/alcohol (that&#8217;s redundant, I know) problems of the Mason Reeses and Anissa Joneses and Linda Blairs that were just as available for tween viewing in <em>Tiger Beat</em> and the like.</p>
<p>The tweens I grew up with were reading (or at least looking at the pictures in) <em>TB</em> and the like.  That they&#8217;ve got their own magazines now doesn&#8217;t mean the fare has changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Gould</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Punani with rice and raisins and raita.  Yummmm!</description>
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		<title>By: Maureen McQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maureen McQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like saying &#039;hoo ha.&#039;</description>
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