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		<title>By: Caroline Spector</title>
		<link>http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/2007/02/17/you-dont-know-me/comment-page-1/#comment-9398</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline Spector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 14:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy,

Perhaps destructive was a harsher word than you would have liked to describe Papa Max, but his absence for all those years was nonetheless hurtful to his family.  Just as the absence of *any* parent would be.

My main point was that artists of any ilk show only a small portion of themselves to the world. 

As you say, people who knew Papa Max had many wonderful things to say about him -- but I imagine there might have been one or two who might have disagreed with that opinion.  

As with *any* human being, artists or fathers, we are all flawed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy,</p>
<p>Perhaps destructive was a harsher word than you would have liked to describe Papa Max, but his absence for all those years was nonetheless hurtful to his family.  Just as the absence of *any* parent would be.</p>
<p>My main point was that artists of any ilk show only a small portion of themselves to the world. </p>
<p>As you say, people who knew Papa Max had many wonderful things to say about him &#8212; but I imagine there might have been one or two who might have disagreed with that opinion.  </p>
<p>As with *any* human being, artists or fathers, we are all flawed.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Bachofe</title>
		<link>http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/2007/02/17/you-dont-know-me/comment-page-1/#comment-9341</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Bachofe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 01:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Destruction on the Family??
I never felt destructed, and all of his children that I know have been healthy and happy.
I do not give him credit for that, but destruction is a very strong word.

I know that Dad was a flawed individual, and I felt sad that I could not get him to return to art in his later years, when I spent a lot of time with him.
He was not however a mean person.
During the time he was living near the University many young people spent time talking to him, I have read a lot of what they said, and none of it described a destructor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Destruction on the Family??<br />
I never felt destructed, and all of his children that I know have been healthy and happy.<br />
I do not give him credit for that, but destruction is a very strong word.</p>
<p>I know that Dad was a flawed individual, and I felt sad that I could not get him to return to art in his later years, when I spent a lot of time with him.<br />
He was not however a mean person.<br />
During the time he was living near the University many young people spent time talking to him, I have read a lot of what they said, and none of it described a destructor.</p>
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		<title>By: Eat Our Brains &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Yesterday</title>
		<link>http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/2007/02/17/you-dont-know-me/comment-page-1/#comment-5164</link>
		<dc:creator>Eat Our Brains &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Yesterday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] already know my position on meeting people whose work you adore. It’s always a dangerous proposition. Well, Pete Townshend was as charming as anyone could have [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Caroline Spector</title>
		<link>http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/2007/02/17/you-dont-know-me/comment-page-1/#comment-4169</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline Spector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick,

Thanks for posting about Papa Max.  He was well-known in Austin around UT during the time period you mentioned.  There was even a student documentary made about him that aired on the local PBS station. 

I&#039;m glad that he got you started in bee keeping -- it was one of his passions.  And I&#039;m glad to hear he made a positive difference in your life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick,</p>
<p>Thanks for posting about Papa Max.  He was well-known in Austin around UT during the time period you mentioned.  There was even a student documentary made about him that aired on the local PBS station. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that he got you started in bee keeping &#8212; it was one of his passions.  And I&#8217;m glad to hear he made a positive difference in your life.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Wallingford</title>
		<link>http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/2007/02/17/you-dont-know-me/comment-page-1/#comment-4126</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Wallingford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 02:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew Papa Max in the late 60s and early 70s - though he was never an easy person to get to know.  He was often cranky and self-centred, and I can easily imagine these earlier parts of his life and some of the havoc he may have left behind him.  I knew him, however, as a beekeeper, and in that context he was sharing and friendly to me.  I think it would be safe to say he did not confuse his artistic life with what he &#039;really was&#039; - on the contrary, he would have laughed at that, I would think.  I&#039;m sorry he was never able to be a part of your family - for a &#039;non-relation&#039;, I&#039;d have to say he was pretty important in mine.  He got me started beekeeping in earnest!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew Papa Max in the late 60s and early 70s &#8211; though he was never an easy person to get to know.  He was often cranky and self-centred, and I can easily imagine these earlier parts of his life and some of the havoc he may have left behind him.  I knew him, however, as a beekeeper, and in that context he was sharing and friendly to me.  I think it would be safe to say he did not confuse his artistic life with what he &#8216;really was&#8217; &#8211; on the contrary, he would have laughed at that, I would think.  I&#8217;m sorry he was never able to be a part of your family &#8211; for a &#8216;non-relation&#8217;, I&#8217;d have to say he was pretty important in mine.  He got me started beekeeping in earnest!</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Gould</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 00:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Knowledge is a tricky thing.  Part of it is the fact that humans use story as a means of organizing what 
we know about the universe and that&#039;s not always the most accurate or realistic method, even if it is the most memorable.  See next post.  &quot;Systems of Knowledge.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knowledge is a tricky thing.  Part of it is the fact that humans use story as a means of organizing what<br />
we know about the universe and that&#8217;s not always the most accurate or realistic method, even if it is the most memorable.  See next post.  &#8220;Systems of Knowledge.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley Denton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bradley Denton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 23:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although Steve didn&#039;t win the Nobel Prize for Finger Painting, I think he did win the one for . . . Mud Pies!!

As for fiction vs. nonfiction:  

I guess I don&#039;t think that memoirists or other nonfiction writers deliberately set out to lie (at least not always) . . . but I do think that we Naked Apes are incapable of honestly telling the Whole Story about ourselves.

A fiction writer doesn&#039;t necessarily manage to crowbar the Whole Story into a novel, either.  But there&#039;s at least the possibility of doing so -- and no such possibility exists when we try to write about what &quot;really happened&quot; (whether we&#039;re writing about history or about our own lives).

As long as there are other witnesses, they&#039;ll always see what &quot;really happened&quot; differently -- and may well recall details that we chose to forget for very good reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although Steve didn&#8217;t win the Nobel Prize for Finger Painting, I think he did win the one for . . . Mud Pies!!</p>
<p>As for fiction vs. nonfiction:  </p>
<p>I guess I don&#8217;t think that memoirists or other nonfiction writers deliberately set out to lie (at least not always) . . . but I do think that we Naked Apes are incapable of honestly telling the Whole Story about ourselves.</p>
<p>A fiction writer doesn&#8217;t necessarily manage to crowbar the Whole Story into a novel, either.  But there&#8217;s at least the possibility of doing so &#8212; and no such possibility exists when we try to write about what &#8220;really happened&#8221; (whether we&#8217;re writing about history or about our own lives).</p>
<p>As long as there are other witnesses, they&#8217;ll always see what &#8220;really happened&#8221; differently &#8212; and may well recall details that we chose to forget for very good reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: ranonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>ranonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 03:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>amen

an amazing painting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amen</p>
<p>an amazing painting</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Gould</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 01:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right Caroline, I was reacting more to the Bradley line &quot;The minute we start to tell “the truth” about ourselves, we begin to lie.&quot;

I&#039;m definitely not out here to use this Blog as a confessional, that&#039;s for sure.  And I will certainly use fiction as a tool as Brad did in the Flying Monkey post.  But there is a line to be drawn when talking about oneself.  I did not win the Nobel Price for Finger Painting, for instance.

--

Mr. Skelley, that&#039;s really interesting.  Is there an image available of you in the time period that Max painted you.  I&#039;d love to see how well he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right Caroline, I was reacting more to the Bradley line &#8220;The minute we start to tell “the truth” about ourselves, we begin to lie.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m definitely not out here to use this Blog as a confessional, that&#8217;s for sure.  And I will certainly use fiction as a tool as Brad did in the Flying Monkey post.  But there is a line to be drawn when talking about oneself.  I did not win the Nobel Price for Finger Painting, for instance.</p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>Mr. Skelley, that&#8217;s really interesting.  Is there an image available of you in the time period that Max painted you.  I&#8217;d love to see how well he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline Spector</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline Spector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think lying is a little harsh, Steve. I think we choose to show selective facets of ourselves and that can be, intentionally or not, deceptive. (I parse, therefore, I am?)  And more to the point, those things that others project upon us because of those facets was what intrigued me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think lying is a little harsh, Steve. I think we choose to show selective facets of ourselves and that can be, intentionally or not, deceptive. (I parse, therefore, I am?)  And more to the point, those things that others project upon us because of those facets was what intrigued me.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Skelley</title>
		<link>http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/2007/02/17/you-dont-know-me/comment-page-1/#comment-3858</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Skelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 00:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Igor was not my real name. I met Max when he was a student at the Cleveland Museum of Art.
I was a student teacher in Alliance Ohio and we shared many visits together discussing literature, the Americans who were writing from their new homes in Paris and the strange news we were hearing from Germany and England. I actually didn&#039;t like dressing up the way Max painted me, but this was the outfit I wore while teaching.  More of personal life later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Igor was not my real name. I met Max when he was a student at the Cleveland Museum of Art.<br />
I was a student teacher in Alliance Ohio and we shared many visits together discussing literature, the Americans who were writing from their new homes in Paris and the strange news we were hearing from Germany and England. I actually didn&#8217;t like dressing up the way Max painted me, but this was the outfit I wore while teaching.  More of personal life later.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Gould</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like the painting, Caroline.  So, to what extent are we constantly lying to the people who read this stuff here?  I certainly don&#039;t set out to tell lies, but one can certainly make the point that selectively presenting a slice of your life out of context is a form of lying.

I&#039;m happy if people are entertained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like the painting, Caroline.  So, to what extent are we constantly lying to the people who read this stuff here?  I certainly don&#8217;t set out to tell lies, but one can certainly make the point that selectively presenting a slice of your life out of context is a form of lying.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy if people are entertained.</p>
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		<title>By: TCO</title>
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		<dc:creator>TCO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 22:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The painting is striking as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The painting is striking as well.</p>
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		<title>By: TCO</title>
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		<dc:creator>TCO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 22:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree it is a kick-ass post.  I only wonder what I can take away from it for my own life and if I will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree it is a kick-ass post.  I only wonder what I can take away from it for my own life and if I will.</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan J. Locke</title>
		<link>http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/2007/02/17/you-dont-know-me/comment-page-1/#comment-3850</link>
		<dc:creator>Morgan J. Locke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 22:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post, Caroline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, Caroline.</p>
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